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Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:58 am
by disCONTENTed
Kathy, I started with DS in early summer 2009 and I don't believe I have EVER quoted guidelines back to a CE.

In the DS forums writers seem to say they do it a lot, but to me it's just a way to get a CE's dander up and risk rejection for spite. They're human. I feel sure they do it. In fact, I think it's happened to me twice for standing my ground.

On the other hand, my rewrites usually don't involve guideline-related issues. They're usually questions about content, rather than structure and the writing itself. And I've taken on very few topics that weren't factually straightforward. Forget those "ideas" titles. DS doesn't pay me enough to be creative.

What would solve this WHOLE issue would be for DS to stop shoveling "layers" onto confusing, flawed guidelines and consolidate everything into one "DS Stylebook" that both writers and CEs follow. And it should ONLY contain what isn't already covered by AP, with maybe one page of exceptions (all in ONE place) to address the SEO issues.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:03 am
by alice
It's easier just to make the requested changes than to argue about the guidelines.

When I first started I did study all the guidelines conscientiously, and every time I wasn't sure about a style question while I was writing, I would look it up. After a while, though, I realized that was taking a LOT of time, and that I couldn't do a "perfect" job on it anyway, because some CEs were not themselves familiar with the guidelines, and because DS kept on changing them without letting everyone know.

So now I just do the best I can without looking things up, and I figure it's the CEs job to catch and change any style issues. Whether I made a mistake, and the CEs correct it to follow the guidelines, or whether I was right, and the CEs change it to something that contradicts the guidelines, is no longer my concern. Life is just too short to worry about these things. ;-) Besides, I don't think that readers will care, or even notice, most of these things.

It's been much harder to let go of caring when CEs messed with the substance of what I've written, but I've trained myself to let that go too, for the most part.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:22 pm
by jekhyl
I don't think she's asking us if we have corrected the CEs. A lot of people don't, even if they know there's a problem, because it's not worth the hassle.

I think that what she's really asking is if anyone, else, has noticed an increase CE "violations" of the guidelines as compared to '09 and earlier.

For my part, I started at the end of '08 and I really haven't noticed much of a difference.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:51 pm
by alice
Oh. I've been at DS a long time, on and off, and haven't noticed much of a difference either.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:47 pm
by disCONTENTed
Can't say that I've noticed any degradation or improvement in CE work. Both CEs and writers seem to be just as confused as ever.

I was like alice. When I first started, I pored over the guidelines for hours before I spent 4 hours writing a fact sheet, and kept checking back when I was unsure of something. But after I got a good dose of what was being done to the articles, I gave that up.

It doesn't matter if you know the guidelines inside-out or not; getting it "right" is a crap shoot. Some CEs will follow the guidelines, and others won't. Whether they really know what they're talking about or not, they'll "advise" you on what's right, and that's why the DS forums are full of threads discussing confusion.

Since we all know DS talks quality but really only cares about quantity, it makes sense for us to do likewise -- and use a pen name.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:01 am
by Page1News
:D

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:11 pm
by Priceless04

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:47 am
by LaughAMinute
I thought this thread was going to be a list of quotes from Metallion..
Sorry.. proceed.

Re: Butt-Kissing Expert Boilerplate

PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:45 pm
by ImaWriter